The Washington DC Debre Selam Kidist Mariam Church’s board has filed $1 million lawsuit against three Ethiopians.
The board is accusing the Debre Selam Kidist Mariam Idir officials of stealing $300,000.
In a Washington DC court on July 30, the Idir officials Ato Seyoum Garedew, Ato Tadele Gebre-Wold and Ato Solomon Bedasso, told the judge that not a penny was moved from the account and that the board is harassing them for trying to give the Idir legal status, which it never had.
The Idir officials also believe that the Kidist Mariam board, which has recently put the church under the Woyanne patriarch, Aba Gebremedhin, is using a lawsuit as a pretext to take over the 400-member strong Idir (self-help group).
The Church’s board members include Dr Almaz Zewde, a close friend of Shaleqa Yoseph Yazew and a member of his splinter Kinijit group.
The three Ethiopians who were dragged to court by the Church’s $300/hour attorney are highly respected members of the Church, and have been serving the Idir for the past 7 years without any glitch or controversy. The only time a controversy arose when the Church’s Board illegally withdrew $47,000 from the Idir’s account last year without the approval of the Idir’s officials. The Board quickly returned the money after being confronted by the Idir’s chairman, Ato Seyoum Garedew. The Board said that it was a mistake, and the Idir officials left it alone, but started to closely monitor the account. Since then every thing was going smoothly until last month when the Board started to take measures to bring the Idir under its full control, which is in line with Woyanne’s modus operandi of controlling and dominating every thing with what ever means… – detailed reports will be posted shortly
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It looks like we Ethiopians do not have the word “ACCOUNTABILITY” in our dictionary. Every thing become known after it went to the medias to report it. The problem is that our culture doesn’t accommodate rules, ethics and regulations when working at public wealth. We just take people at face value.
ኤልያስ መቸም በጣም ነው የማመስግንህ :: ፊደሉ በጣም ጥሩ ሆኖ አግኝቸዋለሁ:: ጥረትሀን ቀጥልበት:: ለወያነዎችና ለአጋሮቻቸው በጣም የራሰ ምታት ነው የሆንክባቸው::
መቼም የአገሬ ሰዎች በየተስባሰባችሁበት የገንዘብ አያያዙን የጠራ ምልክ ሳታስይዙ ታዋጡና ሲጠራቀም አስተዳደሩን ለማስተካክል ስትጥሩ ትኖራላችሁ። እስቲ ትክክል አሠራር ቢኖር እንዴት ብሎ ነው የእርዱን ገንዘብ ቦርዱ (የማስተዳደሩ መብት ያልተሰጠው) ከባንክ የሚያወጣው?
በተጭበረበረ ፊርማ ነው? ለአገራችን ምሣሌ ትሆናላችሁ ተብሎ የምትጠበቁት የአሜሪካ ነዋሪ ወንድሞቻችን የሕዝብን ንብረት በአግባቡ መያዙ ላይ ገና በዳዴ የምትሄዱ ይመስላል።
1. የሕዝብ ገንዘብ በሦስት ተመራጮች ይተዳደር፣
2. ከሦስቱ ቢያንስ ሁለቱ ሲፈርሙ ብቻ ገንዘብ ከባንክ ወጭ ይሁን፣
3. ይህንን ስምምነት ከባንካችሁ ጋር በውል ተፈራረሙ።
በዚህ አሠራር ገንዘብ ሊሰረቅ የሚችለው ውይ ባንክ ከመግባቱ በፊት ብቻ አለዚያም ሦስት ሌባ ተመራጮች ሲኖሯችሁ ብቻ ነው።
ይህን የገንዘብ አስተዳደር ከተጠቅምን ወዲህ ማኅበራችን ላለፉት 20 ዓመታት ስሙኒ ተሰርቆበት አያውቅም።
መተማመን በጎ ቁጥጥር ይበልጣል ያለው ማን ነበር?
I appreciate how ‘neutral’ and ‘objective’ you are when you post news stories on your site. You are a true responsible leader.
I am the attorney for the DSK Church and wanted to correct several inaccuracies. Currently there is an injunction against Mr. Bedaso and Mr. Garedew from touching the money until the dispute can be resolved. At the hearing, the Church produced evidence that 313,000.00 had been taken by Mr. Garedew and another individual and moved to a new account set up under a fake LLC. I refer to it as a fake LLC because the DC Police Detective investigating the case has traced the listed social security number to a deceased individual. The church has been clear that all civil and criminal prosecutions will be withdrawn if the money is returned. The Church has said since day one that they have issue with the manner in which Mr. Garedew acted, not his actions. If the congregation wishes for this action to occur, there are proper procedures to follow. The Judge also told Mr. Garedew that although he believes his principles to be proper, it is his actions,(taking the money without Church, Board of Trustees, or congregation approval) which could be a criminal action. Mr. Garedew and the others are smart individuals who know the rules and the law and know they ignored both in this instance. It is not the principle that is being disputed, it is the manner in which Mr. Garedew and others carry out those principles contrary to D.C. law.
I don’t think you should mix Religion with Poltics. Please don’t do this in the future. Only God will charge thoes who are in fault. I really hope you take my comment postively…because what goes around comes around…
GOD CREATED ALL OF US WITH A BRAIN TO OBSERVE, THINK , AND TAKE A ROLE IN WHAT WE BELIEVE IS CORRECT. BUT AROUND OUR CHURCHS, THIS GIFT OF GOD HAS BEEN OUT OF USE AND INFACT HAVE BEEN ABUSED BY THE CLAIM PRICHED, “A PRIST CAN ONLY BE JUDGED BY GOD THEREFORE WE MUST LEAVE HIM ALONE…”! THIS IDIVIDUALS WHO ARE BRADE WINNERS OF THEIR FAMILY MEMBERS GOT DRAGGED TO COURTE BECAUSE THE BOARD OR THE CHURCH PRIST DIDN’T AGREE WITH THEM. OR ACCORDING TO THE ATTORNEY,
“The Church has said since day one that they have issue with the manner in which Mr. Garedew acted, not his actions.”
IS THAT WHAT BROGHT THE MILLION DOLLAR LAW SUIT???? IS IT FAIR THAT WE TAKE BRADE WINNERS OF A FAMILY TO COURT BECAUSE WE CAN’T BOSS ON A MONEY COLLECTED FROM MEMEBERS OF THE IDER?(NOT CONGREGATION).
IF THE BOARD MEMEBERS TRULY BELIEVED THAT THE DEFENDENTS WERE WRONG IN THEIR MANOR BUT NOT IN THEIR ACTION….WHY DID THEY GOT UP INFRONT OF THE CONGREGATION AND SPIT OUT WORD THE WOULD LEAD INDIVIDUALS TO BELIEVE THAT THE MONEY WAS STOLEN?
ATTORNEY MATHIW HERTZ HAVE SAID THAT “THE MONEY THAT WAS TAKE WAS A FUND SET A SIDE FOR THE HELPLESS AND NEEDY MEMEBERS OF THE CHURCH” ….
FIRST OF ALL……WAS THIS MONEY TAKEN TO A PEROSNAL ACCOUNT OF THIS ACCUSED PEOPLE?
SECOND…IF I AM A MEMEBER OF THE CHURCH, HELPLESS AND NEEDY, IF I HAPPEN TO DIE…..WOULD THE “IDER” (NOT THE CHURCH)GIVE ME $7000.00 ?????
All these bla bla is just to hand over our moey to Abagebremedhin of Woyane
The “Idir” is a burial insurance from the aknowledged members of the Idir members. Action vs.Principle as pleaded by the DSK church could have been resolved between the Board members and the trustees of the IDIR.
One news that is revealed by Attorney Matthew Hertz is that the account was transferred to a social security number of a deceased person.
DSK church had a much better reputation and had dedicated members of the community/country who saw it grow into a church with a public service. I believe it is also the first church which declared to be neutral from the exiled Abune Merkorios and the current patriarch of Ethiopia, Abune Paulos.
It seems currently the church is at cross road and may be more influenced by the latter. It is a very new culture for that church to have disputes such manitude since its establishment around the mid 90s.
This is just for Ahemed (Comment # 8). How can you give comments on church issue while you are muslim? By the way do you know about church? Please leave the issue for owner of the church (christians).It is not politics.
All these “Qese” making money from us every sunday and go to a club with us every friday now wants 1 mil. C’mon Ato “qese” we know how it goes. leave the people alone and make your money every sunday so that we chill next friday, drink is on me.
the point is the public money is secured not touchable .it dosent matter church kess or chairman big question is is not what you act but honety.
It should be pointed out that the court stated that until the matter is resolved NO PARTY can interact with the funds, whether that is the individuals involved or the Church. The church members have stated both in court and out that their sole desire is to have the money returned to the Edir accounts that it was withdrawn from. The Church and Mr. Garedew agreed in Court that any claims made on the Edir in the meanwhile will be paid by the Church with the understanding the Edir will repay once this situation is over.
The Church, and the DC Police believe the actions of the Edir to constitute theft under D.C. law and the reasons behind the illicit action do not matter. The law is clear that no individual can take the property of another and hold without authority under color of law or the bi-laws of the Church.
It is my hope as the Church’s attorney to have the money returned where it came from. If then the money is again moved to an LLC following formal proceedings following the bi-laws of the Edir, there will be no issue from a legal standpoint.
I believe this open dialogue is helpful and I thank those participating as it allows for a more complete rescitation of the events which led to this article to be flushed out and dealt with.
Here we go DSK! This is the fruit of aba g/medhin cadres the so called mahebere kidusan. This church need to cleaning their house like dr almaz one the splitter of CUD. People like these, are the reason for the divison of the orthodox church in diaspora.
It is a discouraging news for some worshipers. To sue for one million dollars because of disappointment of the Idir administrators for principle and not their action as a civil case is money and damage motivated. This is also a criminal law suit that is damaging for the three people and their families, and yet all the money is accounted for. The holy spirit in that church seems to be fading, and this is a sign of some malice behind the scene. It is unfortunate that Dr. Almaz of Kinijit is still an active member of this same board under such circumstances, unless still a member to affect positive changes. It is very discomforting to continue worship in this church. Eventually the church will gain more members of one side and gradually may be lose the general population which packs that church on Sundays. This is a sad news and the long time members need to focus on what action they can take. It is also a bad sign that Abune Paulos’ side for such experiment is evolving in to disaster making some of us join in believing that his patriarchal influence has political and ethnic influence.
Dear Elias,
Your biased comment lowered the quality of your website severely damaged your reputation and credibility. What is amazing is not only your outright prejudised comment in favor of the three individuals without considering the majority Idir members the point of view of the board, but also did it jumpe into unfounded conclusion that this has something to do with supporting Woyane. This is a shame and ridiculous. This is a social rather than a political issue. This is an insult to genuine Ethiopians who strongly fought for peace and democracy. I did not expect your website to tell a lie by stating the church is under Woyane and the Idir money is to be given to Aba Gebremedhin. What a shame. You should have spent more time to unite Ethiopians rather than working on deepning our differences. Our great intellectuals and leaders who were just freed from prison taught us civilized politics. Some people who are behind the Idir and your website is promoting thier ideas wildly and playing a dirty game in the name of politics. Who is the beneficiary now? Ofcourse Woyane. It is about time Ethiopians open up their eyes and seek the truth.
The general opinion of some of the posters indicates that they believe because the money is ‘accounted for’ it is therefore not stolen. Anytime property is taken from one person location or entity and moved without proper authorization it is considered theft or embezzlement. The money is presently accounted for because the Church tooks steps to locate where the funds were transferred to and ensured that the funds remain where they are until the dispute is resolved.
The major issue here comes down to authorization. Did the three individuals move the money with proper authorization? The church’s position is no, they did not. Here in lies the issue which brings the matter before the Courts for resolution. I understand the Church tried to reason with the three individuals and they were unwilling to return the funds despite clear lack of authorization to move it in the first place.
The funds are to only be used for the purposes the Idir set them up for, however must be controlled in a manner consistent with the current bi-laws.
Mr. Elias:
I hope you will are happy for creating some unwarranted controversy. If you knew how mach damaging, you are to the community you would have been ashamed of yourself. I could not see your purpose except supporting your masters, “THE WEYANEs” for creating a falsified accusation against a very strong and community supporting church DSKMariam. Let me clarify one thing for those of you who are misinformed about DSKM, I have been a member of this church long enough to know and understand about my church.
Rese Adbarat Debre selam Kedest Mariam Bete Kerestian, located at 1350 Buchannan Street, is not under the leadership of Abune Pawlos or Abune Merkorios. This had been our stand from day one we had our bylaw written. This is the truth. Anyone who would like to know about the church our church has an open door policy, as long as you do not come with some agenda and you just wanted to know about the church.
Next I would like to tell you why the church is involved in the Ider issue:
As a member of the Ider as well, when we formed this Ider there was some concern, in the past there were problems in ou comunity when we forming Ider, few people had stolen the money and run away from other Iders. As a solution we, members of this Ider, recommended to make our elected Ider officials to be accountable to the leadership of DSKMariam. I do not want to be misunderstood and misinterpreted as if I am trying to accuse any one, specially Ato Seume and Ato Solomon, to home I have respected and loved all this years we had worshiped at DSKM. I am just trying to give the readers some information to help them understand where the problem started and how the church was forced to get involved.
Now let as go to the problem with Ider:
About two months ago the Ider leadership had called for a meeting with Ider members. As our Ider bylaw instructs in how to handle any meeting, first it was conformed if the 2/3 of members ware present. That was when the agenda was introduced and the desiccation took place. The topic had to do with separating the Ider from the church and becoming totally independent. Tha Ider elected officials explained the concern they have. After listening to the argument the Ider members pasd a resolution, pretty much as follows:
• We do not want the Ider to be out of the church.
• If there is any other way that we could accommodate in resolving the issues you presented to as, we will elect and give you some people who will look in to the Iders internal problems and report back to us. We specifically told the Ider leadership we will only take action after the report is presented to us.
The next thing we found out was where everything started to go wrong. I will try to list down the violations performed by the Ider committee:
• When our bylaw strictly instructs for any meeting to take place you should have 2/3 of the members accounted for. If at the first meeting you do not have enough members, the meeting will take place with any number of the attendees at date it is postponed to take place. It is not only they ignored the bylaw, when it was brought to their attention they did not want to listen. This shows a total disrespect to the members.
• We had told them not to make it totally independent. This is our, we members, choice. Another disrespect
• And finally moving the money out creating there board who are, from what we hear unelected officials.
• Now we are hearing a very disturbing news from the DSKM attorney about using a deceased persons’ SS#. I do not know about you this bothered me the most. I hope this is some kind of a mistake.
I like for those reader to know the church has tried to solve the problem peacefully in so many ways. If any one of you are concerned about this talk to them to return the money to where it was there will not any court case if they do that. There should not be any precondition, except the church to drop the lawsuit. Some people had came and said, “Now the money is in safe place why do not you get together and revise the bylaw”. I am not trying to be difficult, but I do not think anyone should force us to revise our bylaw because he or she did not like it.
I would like to conclude by saying this. For those of you who are armed in trying to find something negative about our church, we will pray for you I hope you will do the same for me. I hope you will find a statement or two that will in light you of what is going on. But one thing that is bothering me is except one person, all of us seem to accept the fact they used a deceased persons’ SS#. You are the ones I could not wake you up, because as our fathers said “awko yetegn-n sew bekesekesut ayenekam”.
Egziabher Selamun Yamtalen.
for commenter # 18
First of when you get tax Id# you do not get the tax ID# the goverment give you. If that is the case how it could be SS#?. And this is another accusation against the Ider. The can not give up their mistake they are creating another probem. Do you know they can get sue for false statement and accussation?
You the bord members where were you when $47,000 dollar withdraw from Ider account by one of the your member. Is this MUKERA and if it is work you will take the $300,000 dollar. And when you got cought you bleam the Ider leaders.Sheam on you. They coverd for you guyes until you druged them to court. Sheam on you!!!
And know you creating a new accusation. Watch out. Lemehonu who is you adviser for all this misstack you making. tg
This is a lesson to all Ethiopians, not only the Orthodox commnity. It is a shame that we, the younger generation, have to sit down and watch this. Watch such a dissapointment happen all because of purposely made false accusations. The same leaders that are supposed to be settling things peacefully, and the same priests that we trust to guide our lives and lead our church are now the same leaders that are taking three Elected Edir officials to court. The DSKM Board members are indirectly and directly accusing these three hardworking, honest men of being thieves and of having hiden agendas. Claiming that the Edir’s money was the church’s emergency fund, saying that the accused had secrete intensions to move the money out of the country, and having a detective search all over for the Edir’s chairman to arrest him are not actions that we guess would come from leaders of our church. Wake up and smell the coffie my fellow Ethiopians. Just because one belongs to the church and is our elder doesn’t mean that they cannot make mistakes.
Dear readers,
I could not understand why you are including the priestess in to this. #18 has tried to tell us how the church is involved. he also explained to us what really took place in the Ider. The only once that are replaying with some ignorant responses are the once who have no idea about true Ethiopiawinet. The one point #18 tried to emphasize was the fact, which none of you are bothered about, what the Attorney said. “The police are investigating the usage of the decissed persona’s SS# in this satuation implicating the three law brakers. For your information an Attorney will not jeopardize his reputation in a fabricated case like this, especially over $300,000. For your information, DSKMariam , thanks’ to the true Orthodox Christian Ethiopians, never needed the iders money. The truth should set us all free.
I would like to take this opportunity to our priestess at DSKMariam for the true Christian response to all the trouble we all are going through by praying for peaceful solution. I also would like to express for an outstanding leadership role the DSKM Board is playing in handling the matter. We would like for you to know we the vast majority members of our Ider and almost 100% of DSKMariam members are behind you in all you do. I know you know we are behind you, but ones in a wail it helps to hear it. And finally to Mr. Seyum and Mr. Solomon, we will keep on praying to come back to your senesces. We love you both. Your #3 is the trouble maker who never been one of us, we will still pray for him and few more who are evil spirited friends of his hos intention is causing trouble at DSKMariam.
GOD blasé all of us.
You church bord, who are you calling as for the Ider meeting? how you are going to choose a new leaders when we have a leaders that members chosse? And you have no wright to do that. If you dose, do you know that you are dividing the ider.
dear #18 and #22,(i don’t want to specilate or say who you are and might be) but please answer this questions….
1.#18 you said ” I do not want to be misunderstood and misinterpreted as if I am trying to accuse any one, specially Ato Seume and Ato Solomon, to home I have respected and loved all this years we had worshiped at DSKM.”
Question: if infact you have love and respect to those two individuals why, knowing the really truth behind their motive in giving this ider a legal stand, why did you not make it clear that this money is not stolen but there is a disagreement as to the process or who should sign on the check??????
my argument is not against the boards disagreemnet with the ider officials but with the way the disagreement was carried and the places it has been taken to. it is understood that if and when there is no father that can be free and fair to bring peace, we must take our matters before the court and let the legal judge determind who is at falt. But our claims as members of the board (menfesawi board)must and only be based on truth and be clear from the hate and anger. we must not exaggerate fact and bend the to suit our motives(finding this individuals guilty of a crime)…..
what the churchs attorney have been doing is nothing but trying to win the lawsuit by any means neccesary. in response to that, one must take it as the church trying to destroy individuals using money musle.
so when the attorney cliams the $313.000 to have been deposted under a dead mans ss#, people(not the court), will assume that this people really have tried to take the money but THE TRUTH IS…..AS FOLLOWS
THE MONEY IS STILL UNDER THE SAME NAME WITH THE A NEW TAX ID NUMBER (one that gave it a legal status)..That is why the police have no case against Mr. Seyoum and Mr. solomon etc. THE TAX ID NUMBER WAS ISSUED TO THE IDER BY IRS LEGALLY, IT IS THAT VERY SAME NUMBER THAT THIS ATTORNEY IS CLAIMING TO HAVE BEEN A DEAD MANS SS#…
“For your information an Attorney will not jeopardize his reputation in a fabricated case like this, especially over $300,000. For your information, DSKMariam , thanks’ to the true Orthodox Christian Ethiopians, never needed the iders money. The truth should set us all free.” # 22
ARE YOU CLAIMING THAT MR. SEYOUM AND MR. SOLOMON PUT THIS THIS MONEY UNDER A DEAD MANS SS#.. . .
KNOWN YOU #18 AND # 22 AS ONE I MUST SAY THAT ALL THE WORDS AND GOOD THINGS YOU’VE SAID ABOUT THE TWO INDIVIDUALS IS FALSE..IN NOT CLAIM IT AND BE DONE WITH IT, SAY WHO YOU REALLY HAVE A PROBLEM IS, WITH FACTS TO BACK IT UP….
God Bless you # 23.
# 24 read through the lines. what the attorny said is this:
“At the hearing, the Church produced evidence that 313,000.00 had been taken by Mr. Garedew and another individual and moved to a new account set up under a fake LLC. I refer to it as a fake LLC because the DC Police Detective investigating the case has traced the listed social security number to a deceased individual.”
The investigation was initiated by the police, not the attorney nor the church. When issues are brought to the attention of the law, it is the duty of the investigators to find out and submit a report to judiciary system after sorting out the wrong doing. I would like to be corrected if is not the proper procedure. you should know the church has a limited power in reinforcing the law. If the church has digested all the possible menaces to resolve the problem and there is only a one sided cooperation, it is impossible to solve any problem using the traditional Shemgelena method. I still believe there is a way to solve the problem in a silverside manner. Advice the people you are defending to bring back the money from where it was inappropriately withdrawn and put in to the account which non of the Ider members approved with out a precondition, as the board had said time and again, the lawsuit will be withdrawn. I think it is only appropriate and Christian like behavior on both sides. Otherwise we will have to wait and see what the law says.
I would like to thank you for expressing your opinion in a true Ethiopian like manner. I would really like to keep on chatting with you further more in this manner. We all have to stop using derogatory words. One way or the other it will have an ending, but the sad part is we will all be losers by the matter of fact not being able to solve it with out going to court.
GOD Blasé you.
It seems members of the IDIR do not have much power or voice as the owners of the account. Could their decision and /or mediation through their petition have prevented criminal and civil law suit attached with $1 million dollars?. God forbid, if a member of the IDIR passes away during litigation, how would the member’s insurance be released?.
IDIR is a very important community insurance, and if it works well, each and every denomination and mosque need to have it. The news here is not encouraging. Burial Insurance premium is not that expensive in the US, but what makes a community’s IDIR special is the social net work of people under one umbrella who can make it grow even into owning a plot for such circumsatnces. The out come of this case, and if any motive, malice, or intentional embezzlement and lack of accountablity is reflected, it could send messages including doubt about estalishing other IDIRs. Well, it could also be a lesson.
Elias,
While this is on the subject, as you list church names, hopefully info. on IDIR list could be contributed by informed people.
May Kidest Mariam have her grace upon all for true solution for all.
I don’t know why people can not understand where the problem is. DSK Mariam Church has no any intention to use Idir’s money nor the priests. The Idir has its own by laws. From its establsihemtn the Idir (and its memebers) put itself under the control of the Church’s Board of Trustee.
Let me give some points Article 4-a of the Idir by Law says ” As the Idis is established with permission and supprot of the administration of DSK Mariam Church, it shall report to the church’s Board of Trustee regarding policy matters.” Article 34 also says “These by laws can be amended by 2/3 vote of the membership” When we take these two articles only, Mr Seyoum, when he plan to change the form of the Idir to LLC, he should have got the consent of the Board and at least 2/3 of the member should agree. Changing the form of the Idir to LLC, Opening bank account under new Tax ID violets the Idir’s by law. Mr. Seyoum, as Chairman of the Idir has no right to make these changes unless he has hiden agenda. Even the responsibilty of the Chairman (according to the by law) does not allow him to do so.
As far as my knowledge is concerned, the Board has tried all means to reconcile the discripancies created by three Executive members of the Edir.
Any ways, Mr Seyoum and his followers are trying to consfue the memebers by showing the new bank statement. But, the bank account they have now is operated by himself and unauthorized individuals which may lead for fraud. The Board is protecting this opening to save the money of the Idir. If Mr Seyoum and his friends have no any hidden agenda, why the moved the whole money of the Idir to a new account without the consent of the Idir member.
dear #23, Christian and Ethiopian like manner is what i have been thought through out all my life, I do now and will always value it highly. I hope to be fare and free in my comments and I want nothing but better to all party’s involved . NOT BECAUSE I BELONG TO THIS AND OR THAT BUT BECAUSE THAT PARTICULAR CHURCH IN THE MIDDLE OF ALL HAS BEEN MY EMOTIONAL SHELTER FOR A LONG TIME. MY MOTHER “KIDIST MARIAM” HAVE SAVED ME FROM SO MUCH AND GOT ME SO FAR THAT I CAN’T EVEN START, NEVER MIND FINISHING THE TELLS OF HER GLORY.
So when you say Christian like and Ethiopian like manner, let be honest to God.
The charging document that the defendants received was signed by one of the board members. I am not law graduate like you or as you might be but as far as I know that is the very claim that the church or the board claimed against this three individuals when filing the case at the court. In it said, “as part of the church’s general functions, the church collects administers funs raised through donations from members of the church to aid individuals of the church who find themselves in need of emergency funds”
Q 1.Do you or do you not find the above statement misleading when it claimed that the funds were raised through donation from members of the church , when it really was a payment made by the members of the eder who hold a membership ID card??? (remember Eder was a strange thing to the ear of the judge when she heard it, infarct she asked how it worked).
_Q 2. would the church pay $7000.00 to members of the church who find themselves in need of emergency fund with out holding a membership of the Eder and making a consistent monthly payment??? Is it or not a fact that if a member don’t make his or her payment as they should , the bylaw you’ve created might terminate that person from a membership?
Or am I confusing this eder with another “bego adragi part of the church”? ??
Q 3.Wouldn’t you believe that from the statement I quoted up top , a third party or a judge would assume that the money belong to every member of the church who may not even be a member of the eder???
I believe as a client to your attorney , Mr. Aboye could have said it not quiet like that but ……he signed
I am not making a big deal out of little things but having seen how the law works in this country and having been aware of what Christian like accusations should be like, I find it could have been a little different that it has been . I saw the calling of the priest to resolve the matter with two people from each side and one priest was how it should have been called way before the board gave a misleading information and led the congregation to believe this money has been stolen. As late as it was, even when he ordered it as a priest, there was a wrongness to it, if you remember, Kesis Kasaya , came out and called out verses from the bible about making peace around us, (at which time I thought it was going to become good and finally a really fatherly role will be played), but before going through with it , he called on the vice chairman of the board allowed him to claim victory and share tears (in his speech which was written and double checked by himself before reading it , he again claimed this people put the money in their own company account>>>“wede rasachew derjet account genzebun ketetut“. After that Kesis Kasaya ordered a peaceful resolution to the matter, the vice chairman got up and accepted!!! It should not have been a group play …if it really was intended to be the end it should not have been set like a drama.
At the hearing both side agreed to freeze the account until things are investigated and the Eder officials raised the question of , what if one of our members happen to die? They asked to be guaranteed coverage , the board agreed to it, then came back and ask to be assured the money will be returned to the church’s account , the Eder officials agreed as well.. That was it……there was no winner and there will not be no winner at the End of it, because all people involved have good intentions I believe.. THE ONLY WINNER WILL BE THE LAWYERS TO WHOM PAYMENTS MUST BE MADE FOR PUTTING THEIR TIME AND ENERGY TO THIS CASE..
MR.#22, knowing that I have no intention to disrespect or bring anyone down from the respected community stand, I will assume that we are in one page as far as for all things to have a better ending than it seems therefore lets agree to disagree but not harm each other in a way that is not christian like. Lets base our claims on circumstantial issues but on real facts (was the money stolen by Mr. Seyoum and Mr. Solomon or it was suppose to have been given a legal status)….
Why should ones good being and good service be destroyed because the board didn’t agree with him or her?
As for telling those I defended to return the money to where it was, how is it that you guys have a precondition to resolve the matter? The only precondition should be that BOTH SIDES AGREE TO BE INFRONT FRONT OF THE EDER MEMEBERS AND SAY THE FACTS AND ALLOW THE EDIR OFFICIALS TO GIVE THEIR RESPONSIBLILITY BACK TO THOSE WHO HANDED TO THEM, NOT ALLOW MR. ABOYE TO SIGN ON THE CHECKS LIKE HE ASKED TO IN THE COURT.
I SUGGEST BOTH SIDES BE INFRONT OF THE EDER MEMBERS AND BRING OUT THE TRUTH IN DETAIL, FROM A-Z , NOT JUST GET UP EVERY SUNDAY AND GIVE ONE SIDED INFORMATION………..THAT IS WHAT LED ALL THIS TO THE MEDIA…NOTHING ELSE
I HOPE I DIDN’T OFFEND ANYBODY , IF I DID I APOLOGIZE. JUST AS A REMINDER , THERE IS NO WINNER , WE ALL HAVE LOST ALREADY HAVING GONE THUS FAR. WE HAVE A MUCH MORE POWERFULL CULTURE AND VALUE THAN TO ACCUSE ONE ANOTHER.
I HOPE I SEE THE BETTER OF YOUR GENERATION!! SO FAR ALL I HAVE SEEN IS …..THIS AND THE LIKE OF DICTATORSHIP, HUNGER, HATE ETC…..
You said this:
“for commenter # 18
First of when you get tax Id# you do not get the tax ID# the goverment give you. If that is the case how it could be SS#?. And this is another accusation against the Ider. The can not give up their mistake they are creating another probem. Do you know they can get sue for false statement and accussation?”
I understand your lack of understanding of the issue. By the way I did not say this; the attorney said it, looking at the report given to him when the police found out that SS # of a deceased person was used to form the LLC. it is not the attorney nor the church. The only thing the attorney did on behalf of we, the Ider members, reported that wrongfully money was moved to unknown account. Then the police got involved to investigate if the compliant was correct. That was when the police discovered that wrong SS# was used. Neither the attorney nor the church submitted a complaint about the SS#. You could ask the people accused if that is true. Do not be hard on me. I am your brother trying to protect my money. I do not dislike anyone, but disapprove wrong doings.
I still love you My Brother, or sister.
i would like to make clear that when i said the next quoted words in my above writing, I was talking about the money that the church board agree to pay incase some one who is a member of the edir dies.
“the board agreed to it, then came back and ask to be assured the money will be returned to the church’s account ,”
After the eder officials raised the question of what who is taking responsiblity if incase someone dies , the church board agreed to make funds available from its own account and when things are resolved church will get the money back from the eder…….
oh one thing came to mind>>>>>>how is that the money that the eder officials was the churchs money but the church asked to be paid back when all things resolved ..?
loool
#29 Quote
…..I know that is the very claim that the church or the board claimed against this three individuals when filing the case at the court. In it said, “as part of the church’s general functions, the church collects administers funs raised through donations from members of the church to aid individuals of the church who find themselves in need of emergency.
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The above statement as you pointed out is not only mis leading, in my opinion it is wrong to alter the meaning of the IDIR in its presentation to the court.
I share your sentiment in what Christian churches mean to our spirit as members or not, in private prayers and or worships. For some worshipers, that foundation could be temporarily shaken, but fortunately there are other churches, or a strong Christian who is also realistic will share the good and the bad of the challenge that very church is facing.
#28/Quote
“The Idir has its own by laws. From its establsihemtn the Idir (and its memebers) put itself under the control of the Church’s Board of Trustee.”
“Let me give some points Article 4-a of the Idir by Law says ” As the Idis is established with permission and supprot of the administration of DSK Mariam Church, it shall report to the church’s Board of Trustee regarding policy matters.” Article 34 also says “These by laws can be amended by 2/3 vote of the membership” When we take these two articles only, Mr Seyoum, when he plan to change the form of the Idir to LLC, he should have got the consent of the Board and at least 2/3 of the member should agree. Changing the form of the Idir to LLC, Opening bank account under new Tax ID violets the Idir’s by law. Mr. Seyoum, as Chairman of the Idir has no right to make these changes unless he has hiden agenda.”
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It is very thoughtful of you trying to bring some clarity by having us be familiar with the bylaws of the IDIR and the initial agreement between the church and the IDIR, however, some FACTS/STORY could be MISSING since that agreement and the time the IDIR’s Mr. Solomon registered the IDIR legaly and obtained a tax ID. Another fact that may not be yet complete is the time of death of the tax ID#/ss# holder, and if at all DC police Investigation is complete yet.
… but what makes a community’s IDIR special is the social, RELIGION AND CULTURAL net work of people under one umbrella who can make it grow….
I believe everyone would be served to read the comments of #28. It states in a concise manner exactly what it is a court of law has to review and decide. None of the other issues come into play in a court. The only issue is whether Mr. Garedew and others had the right to move the money under the Idir Bi-Laws.
Clearly, upon anyone reviewing these bi-laws, he and the others did NOT.
dear#18 or # 30 ,
Don’t hide behind the bushes and lead people to specilate again and agian….
The point was made clear time and time again that the ss# the attorney was talking about is the very same tax ID # given to the Eder by the IRS. That ss# number issue came from the misleading and wrongful accusation filed by the church (board). since you are a very well aware individual of this issue, you might want to ask the board members who were at the court short for words as to what role what they ever played in the Eder’s administration.
I would like to make this statment again so you #30 or the rest of whom are trying to implicate that the money was stollen, THERE WAS NO SOCIAL SECURITY # OF A DESCEASED PERSON, IT IS THE TAX ID # THAT YOU ETHER MISTAKENLY OR INTENTIONALY WANT TO LEAD PEOPLE TO BELIEVE AS A ss#…..It will be sad if you down play this fact again.
should I take your/ your attorney’s wrongful accusation as a lack of understand the facts or lack of patience to ask those you accused before rapping about the money was stollen??????
last but not least, when you say,
“The only thing the attorney did on behalf of we, the Ider members, reported that wrongfully money was moved to unknown account.” does that mean the Eder members are liable for the payment of the attorney????? Are you saying it is the Eder memebers that that matthiw Hertz represented on july 30, 2007..Because I thought it was DSKM church being represented by Matthew Hertz!!!
I am not #18 but , I have made my points more than one time but, it seems you want to ignore some and react to others that you think are unaware of the situation !!!!!!
we are all the Childrens of our Mothe “kidst Mariam” and we can get way far ahead with out having to step on each others toes…lets take a step back get intouch with our trueself..
I love you too>>>lool
Hi #24 and all brother and sisters
I am not trying to question your intelligence, but capital letters in a chat room are expressions of anger. I wish you do not crime at me or the other readers. I do appreciate the desiccation. When I said good Ethiopiwinet I hope people understood it includes all Ethiopians. Why I brought this up is, as you all know, back home when we talk about Ider it is a community thing. The circumstances that created this particular issue just happened to have something DSKMariam has to get involved in this.
The three questions you have raised I looked in to them. They seem to drift away from the initial questions. And that is as fallow:
Q1 Did the Ider members had a meeting about two months a go and assigned a committee to study the requests presented to members?
Q2 ware not the members of the committee instructed in a very overwhelming voice not to take any such action and told what ever action we will take will be decided after we get the report from the committee assigned?
Q3 Did the committees ignore the instruction given to them and took action by overwriting the strict instruction given to them?
Q4 did they disregard the bylaw when thy started the meeting with out the presence of at list the 2/3 of members accounted for? If you do not have the bylaw you could ask someone who has it states something like this:
For any meeting to take place, you should have 2/3 of members accounted for. If on the first meeting you did not have enough meeting the meeting should be postponed and the meeting will take place with the available members.
Q5.ware they given to think through this and return the money to where it was or let the money be where it is at and let us coordinate one person to be add one board member and make the board and two of your people to agree to withdraw any money, and then we will call all members and solve the problem in a civilized manner. To clarify further , I do not want any one to be confused or mislead with this, the board member will only be a temporary until the meeting is called and members of the Ider solve the problem.
If I am not mistaken, that offer is still on the table. If they agree on this we could stop the further damage that is being caused to our community could be stopped.
GOD blasé all of us.
#22or #36
Who are you to be involved in withdrawal. The Bord is nothing to do with the ider. Lets talk the fact, with out you been assighned you did wihthdraw $47, 000 dollar. Our Prists who you are in the bord, You are watching this. You did rease you hand on false statement. I am so shame of you. OH God for give all of US. That is the only thing i can say
it was me #24 who wrote in capital letters.
you seemed to be bothered with the tone rather than the intended message with in. infact you ignored it and left it alone.
I will come back with more answers
for # 36
for Q#1 A. Yes they did
for Q#2 A. While it wa under Committee thre was a $ 47.000 withdraw. Do they have to wait until the whole $313.ooo to be wihtdraw?
for Q#3 And also there was no instruction, what i know is it was steel under commitee processe, and also they ask we can work together by being unlegal.
for Q#4 what i know is they did not disregard the bylaw
and let me ask you were you in every meeting they have? they do let memmber sign who was at the present time.
for Q#5 they did informe and present the bank statement were the money is and the tax ID certeficate to the bord on several meeting they had. But they been ignored and asked to put the money back, or to assign one of the bord memmber to withdraw the money too. But it has to be deside by the memmber not by the ider leaders. And also they did inform and ask to call the ider memmber together with “shimaglewoch” and the memmber can deside were the money can go. But
The Ider leader instade of being appreciate for serving free, spending theire time, and being inosent let them to go to court.You part of the bord memmber do get paid, which the money you collecting from us.
And also you said “if they agree with the bord offer we will stop further damge”. The damage already been made if it is stop or not it does not matter.
I’m sorry for the sound of anger, ha ha ha lol, it seems you only react to the tone of that capital letter statment but the to the iontended message with is…..I lill write it again in small letters since you people only like it softly,
I said, “there was no social security # of a desceased person, it is the tax Id# that you ether mistakenly or intentionally want to lead people to believe as a SS#, ..”
If you had paid enough attention, you would realize that my intention is not to disagree with ether side but really look and say somthing about how the lawsuit had wrong motives with in. it was intended to destroy the three individuals by any means necesary. The bylaw of the eder, the church board, the eder officials etc…they could disagree all they want but there is a length of distance that they should not cross as a christian and or Ethiopiawian. This are people who have served the eder for a long time and accusing them of stealing money, especially when all facts are with in the hands of the all involved…
it has been said that the question of giving this eder a legal stand was held a meeting on. if so, and this three individuals didn’t wait for the board to give them a go ahead, does that make them thieves? or make them a violators of authourity? if they violate the power of authourity may be a lawsuit for that but STEALING is a very false.
don’t take this as a challege because I am not as involved in this matter as you are, but happend to have read the court papers and watched as the shamfull drama take place.
as for you saying Ethiopiawinet, Ethiopiawinet is not a gift of man to me but a gift of Gods, with a culture and value that sets me apart from the rest. but I will not allow you to stand and preach it to me. PLEASE DON’T ASK ME WHY …(I am not angry, or screaming at u ha ha ha, lol)
MAY GOD GIVE US ALL THE STRENGTH TO TOLERATE EACH OTHER IN PEACE AND LOVE >>>(THIS TIME I WAS SHOUTING LOL)
All of whom in this forum defending the boards decision to take this people to court are indirect beneficiaries. They seem to be one of thos “anget defi ager atfiwoch” aiming to dismantle all those who ether oppose thier views and their past..!
This dictatorial tactic they have brought from their past is finally taking its toll on the infrastracture of this beautiful church environment. Evel past will not be vanished just because we stand as “…..”
For so long, Ethiopian people have thought leaders are born and presented by God, it is true Gods blessing is a must to be a good leader but all the outrageously killed and abused by the dictators won’t agree! so when coming back to issues that suround this community, it seems that the very long over due of standing the truth was conducted by few people who fear nobody but God and stand for what they believe is right, but then comes the retaliation of those with old tactic that we are so used to in North America espcially D.C area. when one disagrees and it does not like another, it aimes to bring him down using money issue….
face the truth the issue of the board is control and ownership of the money not the fact that the money was moved away……as so many comments have showed in this forum, the money is where the eder people say it is and accounted for, so the so called claim of those who oppose the move from ilegal to legal stand of the eder is bias.
ASSA GORGWARI ZENDO YAWETAL
I would really like to thank #41 for that old saying because you got everything correct. The board wants this money back because of their false suspisions but what they need to remember is that what goes around comes back around. Wanting more supporters by accusing these three men will only lead the truth to come out. The board will eventually lose what little people that do support them instead of gaining them when all the forgotton lies come back to haunt them. Instead of getting more money they will end up losing more. Becareful what you ask for because it will come back to bite you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Remember the old saying our fathers used to say….KESASH YETEKASASHEN MELSE BIYAWEK KEBAETU AYWETHAM NEBER…….ha ha ha!!! Keep that in mind before you go to court on the final day!!!
You said this:
“I said, “there was no social security # of a deceased person, it is the tax Id# that you ether mistakenly or intentionally want to lead people to believe as a SS#,”
What you are not welling to understand is the church did not file a complaint about this. The polis investigator is the one who let the attorney know of the discovery. If you pay good attention to what I am saying, I am just saying it bothered me to hear that the police are investigating them on an offence the government believed has taken place. I hope we will agree in one thing. No one should commit a crime, and if any one has committed this crime of such the church has nothing to do with it. You might not believe this anyone at our church wishes for any thing to happen to the accused.
You have tried to convince the readers that you are unbiased in this matter. I would think this will an insult to the Ethiopian community for you to set there and try to tell us by saying this:
“If you had paid enough attention, you would realize that my intention is not to disagree with ether side but really look and say something about how the lawsuit had wrong motives with in.” after saying this you continued to write siding your group, which you could not denary with the accused, you started accusing the DSKMariam board by saying:
“It was intended to destroy the three individuals by any means necessary.” you did not stop there you made a great statement when you start to say this:
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The bylaw of the Ider, the church board, the Ider officials etc…they could disagree all they want but there is a length of distance that they should not cross as a Christian and or Ethiopiawian. ” but what you did not understand or herd you admit is it crossed the point of disagreement and the accused took illegal accretion and that is I will say it again creating a new organization when they ware told not to do my all members, and taking the money out when they ware instructed not to do. Those are not disagreements. They are criminal acts. But you finished the statement by again saying the wrong thing I will cut and pest it for you to see.
“This is people who have served the Idler for a long time and accusing them of stealing money, especially when all facts are with in the hands of the all involved…”
And you wanted to conclude with this:
“don’t take this as a challenge because I am not as involved in this matter as you are, but happened to have read the court papers and watched as the shameful drama take place.
As for you saying Ethiopiawinet, Ethiopiawinet is not a gift of man to me but a gift of Gods, with a culture and value that sets me apart from the rest. But I will not allow you to stand and preach it to me. PLEASE DON’T ASK ME WHY …(I am not angry, or screaming at u ha ha ha, lol) ”
I or the readers, I hope I am speaking to most, do not see at this a laughing matter. For your information lol means (laughing out loud). I also want you to know you should be proud of your stand and be open minded person. I see you would like the readers to think of you as a none evolved a by passing person who just happened to have came across accidentally. We both know you are fully involved in it.
GOD blasé us all.
#36 said that inorder to make a decision about the eder, there has to be 2/3 of the eder members present…but I would like that person to revise that statement because in that case the board also broke the eder’s bylaw. When the board called an eder meeting, I was confused because they have never called one before. But still, I went thinking that it was also a meeting from our eder officials. Looking around, I saw that the eder members that were present were mostly those that are VERY active members of the church and those that support the board. There were not more than 55 members of the eder there. That isn’t any more than 1/8 of the members let alone 2/3. Having eder members that are baised and that favor the board is not the right way to hold a meeting that the board plans to make an important decision on. At the meeting it was decided that the board would handle this matter with the eder officials in the traditional way with elders. I left that meeting thinking that this matter would settled and I was very dissapointed later that week when I heard of the lawsuit. In the begining I wasn’t on either side but eventually I sided with the eder officials because I was provided with proof and their actions were justified.
To #44: STOP trying to act like you’re one who is not involved too and STOP trying to act like the Ethiopian community or the eder members support the board!!!!!!
Eveybody who knows you knows that this is YOU writing so stop trying to act all innocent!!! You kept on copying #40’s words but you are still avoiding the truth! The police wouldn’t have investigated this case if they weren’t asked to! You, yes YOU #44 said:
“I hope we will agree in one thing. No one should commit a crime, and if any one has committed this crime of such the church has nothing to do with it. You might not believe this anyone at our church wishes for any thing to happen to the accused.
You have tried to convince the readers that you are unbiased in this matter…”
I don’t know about #40’s answer to this but on my behalf you are saying 2 things at once! How dare you say the police’s report has nothing to do with the the board…when in your previous comments you yourself had repeatedly tied it with the church! And please correct yourself, the battle is between the the eder officials and the board, not the church ( Yes there is a difference)!
If you do not wish anything to happen to the accuesed then why would you have a detective search all over the area for Mr. Seyoum! And please do not say the board is not involved in this because it was not a coincidence that the same day Mr.Seyoum got the court order he also got a phone call from the detective.
Regardless, the truth of the matter is that these Edir officials did not present their own SS# or ID#! It is appointed to them and presented to them by the IRS…so if you could just think about what you are claiming and how much sense it truely makes. If they were investigated by the police it was all due to misunderstanding!!! What I really don’t understand is what exactly your theory is as to why and how the eder officials used a dead person’s SS#. Think about it, how could they find out a dead person’s SS# and use it as their own? Is this misunderstanding their fault or is it the mistake of the authority that assigned them this #?
YOU are trying to convince the readers that you are unbaised, and not #40! You keep on dropping being Ethiopian and the Ethiopian community in the middle of your statements just to appeal to the readers. You are not fooling anybody…stop under estimating us just because you have a way with words!
What I am saying is that I support the person who commented on #40! The point is not that he/she is involved the point is that he/she is saying the exact truth!
I love everyone but I will not fail to recignize the truth and the lies.
#36 and #44 same person
I would like to make one thing very clear, I do support those that I believe were dragged to court with a falsified accusation. I am against the wording and sworn claim testimony of who ever signed on the court document on behalf of the board, in a simple word I call it CHARCTER ASSASSINATION.
I did then and I will say it again , My argument is not the fact that a disagreement took place or why did the board questioned the move because that really is not my place, power or business, but how that disagreement grew on to becoming a false accusation and character assassination.
Dear #44 you said the following:
“What you are not welling to understand is the church did not file a complaint about this. The polis investigator is the one who let the attorney know of the discovery. If you pay good attention to what I am saying, I am just saying it bothered me to hear that the police are investigating them on an offence the government believed has taken place. I hope we will agree in one thing. No one should commit a crime, and if any one has committed this crime of such the church has nothing to do with it.”
No matter who did the investigating, the church board was the one that field a lawsuit with contended lies with in. what ever takes place after that is based on the original claim.
That statement alone makes all the points I have been trying to make thus far. How did the church board not file a complaint about that when it made a claim that the money was collected from a donation and set aside to help members of the church who are helpless and needy???? Did this claim make a direct accusation of stealing money that was donated to the church and go far enough to say that it was set a side for emergency?? When the money really was suppose to be admitted to the real owners who are a monthly payment makers and self helped individuals who acted safe in making sure they have money in case of death. I will say this again, the church members will not get a penny unless they have been a member of the Eder and have been making monthly payments as they should.
Such claim to a third party who is now aware of what eder is and will probably have to get the meaning from a translated version of the eder activities, will first hand make him or her (The judge) begin to believe that the money was donated to the church so THAT IS WHERE MY PROBLEM COMES WITH THE “LIES” . The board should have made it clear the money was owned and operated by members of the Eder , and activities take place at the mother house of DSKM. This individuals who were taken to court for what ever motive the board members have, are individual who took action to give this Eder the very long over due legal stand .
What makes your whole writing sad is that you pay too much attention to me capitalizing letters and using chat rooms signs, but not to my real claims because they have truth in them. Why should I not laugh at such a drama taking place to assassinate the characters of people who have served with all their goodwill in helping the church community.
1.The crossing point is they fabricated lies , I hope you got it this time!
2. If I didn’t know anything , I wouldn’t have went back and forth with you , so don’t try to make me seem as if I said am not involved…I AM FULLY AWARE OF THE CASE AND THAT IS WHY I TAKE SIDE.. (again just trying to let you understand not yelling at you).
3. You keep saying “for your information” all information’s you have so far gave is accusations and attempts of character assassination.
You may go as far as spelling it , or give a lead a leave a blank space but you and I both know you are calling this people thieves who stole a donated money to the church , because that is what you filed lawsuit says so..
As you have said GOD bless us all, if he didn’t hold the final saying so , where could this three people be by now????
I got reminded of one thing , The so called government in our country shot dead close to 200 people and locked up their opposition in connection to the killing, it charged, It formed its own cud, it presented the evidence, it listened, it judged, it sentenced and it forgave…..!
If am not mistaking, it is the same drama taking place in our church today, the board accused three individuals of stealing money, it refused peaceful resolution, it filed a lawsuit, it gave verses from the bible as to what will happen to those who refuse, it claimed victory of freezing the account, it asked for resolution and ending, it tomorrow will try to create its own new eder official and so on…………….
I wonder if the table ever turns…!
who shall we go to for peacful solution, if a church makes such an accusation on individuals?
Answer to # 44.
I think you are talking out of you neck. Meaning you do not know what you are talking about the legal system of the United State of America. When you make the following comment
“What you are not welling to understand is the church did not file a complaint about this. The polis investigator is the one who let the attorney know of the discovery. If you pay good attention to what I am saying, I am just saying it bothered me to hear that the police are investigating them on an offence the government believed has taken place. I hope we will agree in one thing. No one should commit a crime, and if any one has committed this crime of such the church has nothing to do with it. You might not believe this anyone at our church wishes for any thing to happen to the accused.
You have tried to convince the readers that you are unbiased in this matter. I would think this will an insult to the Ethiopian community for you to set there and try to tell us by saying this
First of all the police would not investigate these individuals if no one reported to them.
Second of all the police investigator would never report to the lawyer if the original report did not come from the church
Also you are wrong when you say “I hope we will agree in one thing. No one should commit a crime, and if any one has committed this crime of such” What crime has been committed? Giving a tax Id to Idir it not a crime it is called legalizing an association?
You have also tried to explain the meaning of lol that shows immaturity. Keep your knowledge to yourself and I don think there is any one who has a potential to participate in this chapter need an interpreter to know lol. That is called undermining the others capability.
I have a news for you I had an access to review the original claim and it was the church who reported to DC police fraud investigating unit. Know you can lol.