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Postby Meraraw » 04 Feb 2007, 15:48


At last you are free from insulting and from the empty ZERAF ZERAF. Now we can engage in intellectual discussion. I will come back and read your gentle opinions, not the hitherto arrogance based on ignorance!!!!!



Postby kunta konte » 04 Feb 2007, 16:22


Now you call me ignorant, I am not taking it serious, I believe in open discussion. I am not a war monger trible chief, I believe in humankind.
Tell me how we can reach to the agreement to the problem which is calmied by some oromo elities and the characterization of Amhara as a colonizer.
Do you really beleive that today's amhara should pay to the crime which is committed 100 or 150 years ago. I support the current crime comitted by Tigrian war lords, is bona-fide and those who are enefiting from the crime is still alive and the claim would be rational, but 100-150 years ago seems unrealisitic idea, wild dream like chasing rainbows.
To tell you the truth i strongly believe that the oromo people oppressed more than the Tigrians or Amharas, by the Amhara and Tigrian feudals, but what we need to be done is the most improtant, instead of beating the same dead horse.
Stiil the tigrian feudals, control the power and casue so many damege to the people of oromo and other Ethiopians, then the solution should be collaborating our struggle and creat strong solidairty, which is not shaking by enemy propoganda.
Do not forget our enemies use divide and rule agenda and we do not fell of their trap by blindily claming tribal states, however we need to stress the freedom, justice and eqaulity of thepeople.
Peace!!

Meraraw wrote:At last you are free from insulting and from the empty ZERAF ZERAF. Now we can engage in intellectual discussion. I will come back and read your gentle opinions, not the hitherto arrogance based on ignorance!!!!!



Postby Meraraw » 04 Feb 2007, 16:43


Meqidela,
just short comments to the points you raised:

- first I came now to the point that we cannot have a common country in which we really live in equality. That was my position previously, now I do believe that Abyssinia and Oromia are neighbouring countries which has to live independently and possibily as good neighbours.

- The present Amhara generation is not responsible for what your fathers did 100 years back, but it is expected that you aknowledge the crime and distance yourself from it, just as the present generation in Germany did regarding their Nazi parents.

- it is clear the current oppressors are Tegarus. Amharas are also sharing the fate of Oromos, but still you do identify your selves with your cousins when it concerns your IMIYE. That meanse still you are part of the colonizers for both of you are Abyssinians.



Postby kunta konte » 04 Feb 2007, 16:55


Your stand remind me that the question of African Americans to have independet black state within USA, which was unsuccessful. You need to learn to differentiate your intention from the reality, do not mislead yourself by believing that what you think is always right. You better be prgmatic instead of living with idealist fiasco.
I told you before your claim does not hold water, you do not have even hitorical evidence, all you said is myth, which is wildely believed by oromo elities but false notion.
I have read that Minelik was half oromo, and Haileselase was Kotu from harar.
For your claim you have to have tangeble evidence, which is supported by scholarly work. tell me one book which recoded the events and teh crime committed by Amhara to ormos in the past. Hearsay, does not work.
anyway, I am not stopping you to have your wildest dream, I am sure your dream will be an illusion.

peace!!

Meraraw wrote:Meqidela,
just short comments to the points you raised:

- first I came now to the point that we cannot have a common country in which we really live in equality. That was my position previously, now I do believe that Abyssinia and Oromia are neighbouring countries which has to live independently and possibily as good neighbours.

- The present Amhara generation is not responsible for what your fathers did 100 years back, but it is expected that you aknowledge the crime and distance yourself from it, just as the present generation in Germany did regarding their Nazi parents.

- it is clear the current oppressors are Tegarus. Amharas are also sharing the fate of Oromos, but still you do identify your selves with your cousins when it concerns your IMIYE. That meanse still you are part of the colonizers for both of you are Abyssinians.



Postby Meraraw » 04 Feb 2007, 17:09


Meqdela,
concerning liberation struggle, there is no common history in which both colonizers and the colonized can believe. Both do have their own perspective and their version of history. No discussion can help to solve the conflict for no side can convince the other.

We just struggle till we come to power balance and find a lasting settlement. There are three options of outcome:

- colonizers stay powerfull and eliminate the liberation struggle of the colonized people, i.e Abyssinians will eliminate Oromo liberation movement

- the two sides will have a balanced power and come to find a compromise, e.g living in a federal arrangement in which both Abyssinia and Oromia will have their own autonomous self-rule

- the colonized Oromo people will be stronger and liberate its nation like the Eritreans did

So discusion is not the way of finding a solution between such two antagonistic forces. At the moment colonial force being supported by American imperial force seems to be stronger, but Oromo liberation movement will continiue by changing tactics and strategies and till the end.



Postby kunta konte » 04 Feb 2007, 17:14


Good luck my oromo brother, I wish you the best, but do not forget that your are taking the slippery path.
I closed my discussion with you today.
again good luck!!!
peace!

Meraraw wrote:Meqdela,
concerning liberation struggle, there is no common history in which both colonizers and the colonized can believe. Both do have their own perspective and their version of history. No discussion can help to solve the conflict for no side can convince the other.

We just struggle till we come to power balance and find a lasting settlement. There are three options of outcome:

- colonizers stay powerfull and eliminate the liberation struggle of the colonized people, i.e Abyssinians will eliminate Oromo liberation movement

- the two sides will have a balanced power and come to find a compromise, e.g living in a federal arrangement in which both Abyssinia and Oromia will have their own autonomous self-rule

- the colonized Oromo people will be stronger and liberate its nation like the Eritreans did

So discusion is not the way of finding a solution between such two antagonistic forces. At the moment colonial force being supported by American imperial force seems to be stronger, but Oromo liberation movement will continiue by changing tactics and strategies and till the end.



Postby Meraraw » 04 Feb 2007, 17:21


Thanks!!!!

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