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Oromo childrens are taught to hate Ethiopia and Amhara people

Postby Delete my account » 12 Sep 2011, 17:32


Mama Ethiopia seems at the brink of disintegration.




Re: Oromo childrens are taught to hate Ethiopia and Amhara people

Postby Conformist » 12 Sep 2011, 21:36


None of this hatred would have been necessary if we had listened to Meles' wise council back in 1991. We could have had our Ethiopia consisting of northern Shoa, Wollo, Gojjam and Begemidir plus Assab. The Oromos would have created their Oromia and today wouldn't have to be hated in this Balkanized land of hatred Ethiopia has become. Those who idolize the concept of united Ethiopia will wake up when the bloodletting begins.

These Oromos in the video are to be admired for loving their people and for teaching their children to be proud Oromos.

Oromo Queen wrote:Mama Ethiopia seems at the brink of disintegration.



Re: Oromo childrens are taught to hate Ethiopia and Amhara people

Postby Halafi Mengedi » 12 Sep 2011, 22:33


Comformist,

Every time I read your post the only person from Amhara ethnic speak honest, direct and very, very realistic and self confidence.

Personally I preferred one Ethiopia united if people create real harmony and everyone feel one heart and one people as Issayas says (Issayas controlled all other ethnic resources for Tigrigna people). The only one condition I will put forth is English as federal Government working condition but each state working language is their own mother tongue languages. The reason is not hating Amhara or the language or culture but for the following reasons:

1. Every ethnic will have full confidence as one people at the federal level and not going to be treated as second class because of Amharic accent or denied any high paying job at the federal level due to his or her Amharic language is not fluent as the native Amhara people. English is not belong to any ethnic of Ethiopians and will unified as outsider equally common to all ethnics.
2. Teaching English kids at their early age they can master the language as the only second language and understand in classes all the subjects they thought from first grade up to University and become productive citizens and apply what they thought in the class rooms. Ethiopians have been momerizing subjects and pass from class to class with out understanding of the real mission of the books kids to learn due to lack of English profeciancy. One of the reason Ethiopia has been backwarded and our educated people did not make any different in our societies is they did not know what they were thought and could not apply them in practice out the classes after they finished school.
3. Except Amhara ethnic kids the rest of Ethiopian kids are being forced to learn three languages at the same time and is not fair for them to master three languages at once while the Amhara kids are though just two languages.

As I said many times if Ethiopians do not get along to live as one people under one federal Government then for the sake of current and future Ethiopians, all ethnic politicians have to sit down and divorce the unity peacefully and let everyone do what they want and compete to develop their people as they wish. If everyone is working for their own people and state there will not be corruption, deceit, manipulation, domination and most importantly no complains and finger pointing to other ethnic. You make it or you fail by your own efforts.

How do you divide the country, to me it is easy, Tigray should get all the Axumite territories and Beneshangule. Amhara should get Wello, Gojjam, part of Shewa and Addis Ababa and Wellega and other smaill ethnics like Guragea and Dorthy. Oromo should have the remaining Shewa, part of Addis, Arosi, Bale and other smaller ethnics.
Southern should have the south and smaller ethnics, the same thing Somali Ogaden and other smaller Muslim ethnics in Harar. All the above division could be unnecessary if people want to live together peacefully otherwise, war and killing each other is not necessary in the future. They should divorce peacefully and honorably to avoid bloodshed and waste resources.

My whole point is if Tigray gets its grandfathers territories will be befter off.

If Amahara gets part of Shewa, half of Addis Ababa and Wolega will be better off.

If Oromo ges the remaining shewa, half Addis Ababa, Arosi and Bale the most fertile lands then they will be better off.



Re: Oromo childrens are taught to hate Ethiopia and Amhara people

Postby Bwendimu » 13 Sep 2011, 05:18


It is sad to know how ignorant some of our forum participant are
The man is training the kids about naming for fothers a culture that was there with most Africans
What part of this is hate? Do you expect this kids to refere to Amhara or Tigire ancistory? Really what does it mean to be Ethiopian for most of you? In the past the Amhara did a lot to destroy any ethnic group in Ethiopia and labelled every one as Habasha. That era is passing to history. You hate to see Ethiopian. ethnic groups develop their culture and be more proud of themselves. Day in day out you point a finger to Ethiopian constitution as balkanizing constitution and you cry for its abolition. You do not know with what you play. This Ethiopia is no more the same. I know what you fear. You fear Oromo people more than any thing. Your fear have no base. We are Ethiopians and Ethiopia was defended in the past and will be defended by Oromos in the future. The more you fear the more you destroy and make angry the Oromos and corner them. You know such. Condition create "fight or flight". That is not. What we want to happen. Therefore stop wrong accusations and start looking to things posetivelly.
I thank you.



Re: Oromo childrens are taught to hate Ethiopia and Amhara people

Postby AFDist » 13 Sep 2011, 05:23


Irreechaa: A Thanksgiving Day In Oromia, Cushitic Ethiopia And Africa

Thanksgiving day is a holiday internationally celebrated primarily in the United States and Canada. Traditionally, it has been a time to give thanks to God, friends, and family. Thanksgiving in North America had originated from a mix of European and native traditions. Typically in Europe, festivals were held before and after the harvest cycles to give thanks for a good harvest, to rejoice together after much hard work with the rest of the community. At the time, native Americans had also celebrated the end of a harvest season. When Europeans first arrived America, they brought with them their own harvest festival traditions from Europe, celebrating their safe voyage, peace and good harvest. Thanksgiving day, which is currently celebrated on the fourth Thursday in November, has been an annual tradition in the United States since 1863.

Interestingly the people of Oromia in particular, the cushitic people of Ethiopia and the whole black people of Africa in general do celebrate this type of thanksgiving day, the Irreechaa, for more than 5000 years. It is from this ancient people that firstly the ancient Egyptians took the tradition, which was further overtaken by the Jews of Israel, then by the Arabs, followed by the traditional Europeans and finally by the relatively new states of USA and Canada. It is just like the development of the monotheistic belief in Waaqa Tokkichaa (belief in one God), which started in the cushitic Ethiopia in particular and in Africa in general and then spread first to the ancient Egypt, then to the ancient Israel, further to Arab world, Europe and finally to North America.

The Oromo people being the stem for the other cushitic nations living in the north-eastern Africa have kept and preserved this noble tradition of thanksgiving in a form of Irreechaa celebration, whereas the other African nations seem to have forgot and lost it. Now it is the right time for these cushitic Ethiopians and the other Africans to re-learn it from the Oromians and to revive their lost cultural values. Even though most of them are already converted to Christianity and Islam, there is no much antagonizing issue between these monotheistic religions, which can hinder the believers from celebrating Irreechaa together. The USA and Canada just christanized the Irreechaa and they do celebrate it as a thanksgiving day. There is no reason why the Christians and Moslems in the cushitic Ethiopia and in the other African nations can't re-adopt this nice virtue from Oromia and celebrate it together with the Oromo people.

When we look at the similarity between Christianity, Islam and Waaqeffannaa, it may surprise us that the Borantichaa (the first holy person according to the Waaqeffanna faith) is the chosen holy man of God similar to Jesus of Christianity and Mohammad of Islam. These three holy personalities are the classical Qaalluu's (individuals, who could communicate with Waaqa/Allah/God and who could live optimallly according to the will of this Supreme Being). This similarity is the reason for the fact that Irreechaa is the thanksgiving day for not only the decendants of Borantichaa, but also for the believers of Jesus and for the followers of Mohammed.

Even the concept of 'a chosen people of God' is taken from the Cushites. The Holy Bible testifies this, in the speech of Jahwe to Israelis: 'are you not as dearly as Cush/Ethiopia to me?' The Qalluu are the chosen part of the Oromo people to have such a position in front of Waaqa, just like the Levites were the ritual leaders chosen by Jahwe. The meaning of the cushitic word Kasa (Kaasaa) is 'God's People' (Creator's people). Accoring to the ancient language of Cush, the word Ka = God (spritual being, the creator), and the word Sa = People, thus the word Kasa = 'God's People'. The two Agew Kings (Theodros and Yohannes) were named as Kasa just to designate themselves as the rulers of 'God's People'. Similarly the word Saba (Saabaa) is equvalent to the 'created people' for the cushitic word Sa = people and Ba = the created (physical being, the nature). Interestingly the Afaan Oromo equivalent words are: Ka = Uumaa, Ba = Uumama and Sa = Uummata. Accordingly Queen Saba wanted to call herself the ruler of the 'created people', whereas the two Agew Kings tried to call themselves as the rulers of the 'Creator's people'.

If Oromo nationals from the three religious groups had to celebrate Irreechaa together, then they have to appreciate this common base and common cultural heritage as well as they have to be able to decide for common place of celebration in the future. As far as I am concerned, for Finfinne is the political center and the traditional core of Oromia/Cushitic Ethiopia/Africa, I would like to suggest that we do celebrate Irreechaa in the future not only in Horaa Arsadii, but mainly/nationally at the Lake Gafarsaa of Finfinne. This must be the major site of Irreechaa celebration, being accompanied by the celebration in Bishoftuu and the festivities at other localities. Making Finfinne the core of this thanksgiving day will certainly help all other localities be supplied by more 'river of eebba/river of blessing' from the center of Oromia.

We need to keep Irreechaa as a very good tradition of Oromia, which is one of the very attractive traditions in this land of eebbaa/blessing and land of Irreechaa/thanksgiving. It is a common daily experience in Oromia to observe elders blessing the others routinely and to see people practicing Irreechaa at different occasions on small scales and at lower levels including their morning and evening prayers, which is mostly considered as the thanksgiving, where the Oromo people do say ritually: galata kee ya Waaq! It is based on this observation that certain European scholar and writers described Oromia as a 'land filled with the rivers of blessing'. I hope that not only Oromia, but also the cushitic Ethiopia and the whole Africa will be filled with such 'rivers of ebbaa and Irreechaa' in the future, especially if we decide to harmoneously celebrate Irreechaa as our common thanksgiving day together.

Irreechaa as Oromia's/Cushitic Ethiopia's/Africa's thanksgiving day is a symbol for a day of a public freedom from the oppressive regimes like the brutal Abyssinian elites with colonialist mentality. On this day, the celebrating Oromo people do feel free, at least for such short time with in a year of oppression, even though the security machine of the colonizers continue harassing this freedom loving and pro-democracy nation. Beside such advantages, Irreechaa also signifies the victory of the Oromo liberation struggle, the reason why Oromo nationals say: Irreechi irree keenya!

Not only the Oromo nationals, but surprisingly the ordinary Abyssinized people also do celebrate these values of the gadaa Oromia in their own style/version, like the celebration during Ximqat (equivalent to Ireechaa at the lake-side or river-side), Masqal/Demeraa (equivalnet to Gubaa), Buhee (equivalent to Taaboree), Ashanda of Tigrai (equivalent to Ingicaa) etc. Despite these good elements taken from the Cushitic cultural values, Abyssinianism is an anti-thesis of Oromummaa and a diametrically opposite position to that of the cushitic Ethiopianity. Abyssininism is a symbol for a false self-identity and it is an example for the 'victim victimizing another victim'. Abyssinian elites are like the torture victims, who are usually trained to be themselves the notorious and brutal torture perpetrators. Classical examples are the Woyane elites, who have been brutally victimized by Derg and now themselves became the worst tormentors of the Oromo people and that of the other oppressed nations.

When we do celebrate Irreechaa in this year, we have to commit ourselves also to transform Finfinne from being the center of these tormentors with false identity into the capital of the future gadaa Oromia/cushitic Ethiopia/federal Africa. That means Finfinne needs to be changed from the hitherto center of Abyssinianism, the symbol for oppression, tyranny, authoritarianism, torture, misery, hunger and agony into the core of Oromummaa characterized by gadaa/democracy, bilisummaa/freedom, prosperity, harmony, peace, equality and social egalitarianism. Irreechaa is the day of celebrating this Oromummaa on the grave of the obsolete Abyssinianism.

That is why we do call upon all the pro-freedom cushitic Ethiopians, democratic Africans and humanisitc others to join this celebration of Irreechaa in Finfinne of Oromia, the political center of Africa. Irreechaa can be used as the symbol of freedom movement for all Africans, whose monotheistic system of faith in Waaqa Tokkicha (in one God) used to be denigerated by the Arab invaders, who promoted Islam at the cost of African Traditional religions like Waaqeffanna. This original African religion has been also attacked by the European colonizers, who cursed the belief system as something "paganism or satanism". In this sense, Irreechaa celebration is one of the victories we already got not only over the alien forces from far away, but also over the neighbouring oppressive Abyssinian elites. For instance, the brutal fascist and racist Woyane tried to suppress this victory, but failed miserably.

Here, we need to try to differentiate the innocent ordinary people of Abyssinia from their ruling criminal elites. To the surprise of my readers, I personally saw the celebration of Borantichaa in my life for the first time not in Oromia proper, but in the heart of Abyssinia, in Gondar. Then, can anyone try to convince me that Gondar is not part of Oromia? Can anybody tell me that Quwaaraa of the Emperor Theodros, which has been ruled by an Oromo called Aluulaa, was not part and parcel of Oromia? That is why my Oromia is necessarily limited neither to the OPDO map nor to the OLF map, rather it extends to the bigger, inclusive and greater map, which includes all the Oromo people of the region.

So let the Ethiopia of Laureate Tsegaye Gebre Medhin Qawweessaa ( http://gadaa.com/oduu/10224/2011/07/26/ ... -ethiopia/ ) be celebrated in a sense of promoting freedom and democracy, i.e in a sense of Irreechaa; not Ethiopia of the colonizers be adored, the name given to us by the Greeks, the name behind which the Abyssinians like to hide. The Oromo people do give glory to Waaqa for all what we achieved, such as the partial bilisummaa/freedom, scare nagaa/peace and limited badhaadhummaa/prosperity and then we commit ourselves (demand more effort from ourselves) to achieve what we yet need. That means we give galata/glory for what we achieved and at the same time we forward our gaaffii/demand commiting ourselves to do our best in order to achieve the rest of our vission.

In this regard, there is nothing what Waaqaa alone does for us, when we are passive. Waaqaa is helpful only through our activities and efforts.Only when we are active and creative, then Waaqa also does his plan for us, in us, through us. We should not mislead ourselves and "beg" Waaqa to do our bidding. We rather have to commit ourselves to do Waaqa's good plans for our lives. Not only HE, even the human helpers do help us only when we try to help ourselves. That is why we need to celebrate Irreechaa in this sense of being very pro-active to achieve the rest part of our bilisummaa/freedom and our gadaa/democracy. We ought to celebrate the half-full glass of the past and should commit ourselves to fill the half-empty part of the qabsoo bilisummaa Oromoo (Oromo liberation struggle) in the future.

Still longing for the day, when the Oromo Christians, Moslems and Waaqeffataas will come out together during the Irreechaa in order to celebrate in mass our Rabbi/Waaqa, we should at the same time be able to commit ourselves to do his will in our Oromo way of private and public life. Irreechaa is not only celebrating the past good and only striving for the future good, but it is also the day of remembering our brothers and sisters, who did sacrifice their limbs and lives for our common Oromo cause of bilisummaa. This includes the commemoration of the recently imprisoned Oromo nationalists, who are now suffering under the notorious torture in Ma'ikelawi prison, being accused as "terrorists" just because of their attempt to promote and support the currently ongoing Qeerroo national Oromian movement for freedom and democracy.

In spite of this Woyane's brutality, we do hope that the day will come, when we all Oromians/Cushitic Ethiopians/Africans will celebrate Irreechaa on the grave of the presently tormenting Woyane tyranny. Adoring Waaqa is the same to celebrating the best version of our own personal and collective identity. That is why it is usually said by Oromo nationalists: 'being Waaqeffata is the same as being one's own true-self'. Thus, I encourage those with false-identity to comeback to their true cushitic self and to celebrate with us the holy Irreechaa, which is originally from Oromia/Cushitic Ethiopia and now even practiced by the citizens of USA and Canada. Merry Irreechaa to all , who do like to celebrate this noble national holiday with us! May Rabbi/Waaqa bless us! May HE bless Oromia, which is the land of eebba/blessing and the land of Irreecha/thanksgiving, as the political center and traditional core of our continent Africa.



Galatoomaa!



Re: Oromo childrens are taught to hate Ethiopia and Amhara people

Postby Zmeselo » 13 Sep 2011, 05:40


Comformist, learn to cancel Assab from ur perverted and convoluted mind once and for all. Otherwise we´ll do to u what we did to ur forefathers.



Re: Oromo childrens are taught to hate Ethiopia and Amhara people

Postby Conformist » 13 Sep 2011, 08:59


Bwendimu wrote:It is sad to know how ignorant some of our forum participant are
The man is training the kids about naming for fothers a culture that was there with most Africans
What part of this is hate? Do you expect this kids to refere to Amhara or Tigire ancistory? Really what does it mean to be Ethiopian for most of you? In the past the Amhara did a lot to destroy any ethnic group in Ethiopia and labelled every one as Habasha. That era is passing to history. You hate to see Ethiopian. ethnic groups develop their culture and be more proud of themselves. Day in day out you point a finger to Ethiopian constitution as balkanizing constitution and you cry for its abolition. You do not know with what you play. This Ethiopia is no more the same. I know what you fear. You fear Oromo people more than any thing. Your fear have no base. We are Ethiopians and Ethiopia was defended in the past and will be defended by Oromos in the future. The more you fear the more you destroy and make angry the Oromos and corner them. You know such. Condition create "fight or flight". That is not. What we want to happen. Therefore stop wrong accusations and start looking to things posetivelly.
I thank you.


I for one didn't know what they were saying because I don't now any Oromo word other than "akam jirta". Oromo Queen said they were being taught to hate Amhara and I ready believed her under the circumstances.

It is not Article 39 that Balkanized Ethiopia, Ethiopia was Balkanized long before Woyane was created, exactly when Menilik went on his greedy land grab to unite so many hostile ethnics under one nationality. Most Amharas are so greedy for land they want to force the Ogaden Somalis to remaiin Ethiopians, when in fact Ogaden is 100% Somali and 100% Muslim. Somali has nothing in common with Amhara, so what is the point of forcing them to stay with Ethiopia. At least many of the Oromos are Christians, and many are of Amhara ancestry. In this light I don't call for the abolition of Article 39, I hope for its full implementation so that all the hostile ethnic groups may go their own way, then we don't have to hate each other.



Re: Oromo childrens are taught to hate Ethiopia and Amhara people

Postby Conformist » 13 Sep 2011, 09:00


Zmeselo wrote:Comformist, learn to cancel Assab from ur perverted and convoluted mind once and for all. Otherwise we´ll do to u what we did to ur forefathers.


Even if I learn that, its Afar owners will not.



Re: Oromo childrens are taught to hate Ethiopia and Amhara people

Postby Conformist » 13 Sep 2011, 09:29


Halafi Mengedi wrote:Comformist,

Every time I read your post the only person from Amhara ethnic speak honest, direct and very, very realistic and self confidence.

Personally I preferred one Ethiopia united if people create real harmony and everyone feel one heart and one people as Issayas says (Issayas controlled all other ethnic resources for Tigrigna people). The only one condition I will put forth is English as federal Government working condition but each state working language is their own mother tongue languages. The reason is not hating Amhara or the language or culture but for the following reasons:

1. Every ethnic will have full confidence as one people at the federal level and not going to be treated as second class because of Amharic accent or denied any high paying job at the federal level due to his or her Amharic language is not fluent as the native Amhara people. English is not belong to any ethnic of Ethiopians and will unified as outsider equally common to all ethnics.
2. Teaching English kids at their early age they can master the language as the only second language and understand in classes all the subjects they thought from first grade up to University and become productive citizens and apply what they thought in the class rooms. Ethiopians have been momerizing subjects and pass from class to class with out understanding of the real mission of the books kids to learn due to lack of English profeciancy. One of the reason Ethiopia has been backwarded and our educated people did not make any different in our societies is they did not know what they were thought and could not apply them in practice out the classes after they finished school.
3. Except Amhara ethnic kids the rest of Ethiopian kids are being forced to learn three languages at the same time and is not fair for them to master three languages at once while the Amhara kids are though just two languages.

As I said many times if Ethiopians do not get along to live as one people under one federal Government then for the sake of current and future Ethiopians, all ethnic politicians have to sit down and divorce the unity peacefully and let everyone do what they want and compete to develop their people as they wish. If everyone is working for their own people and state there will not be corruption, deceit, manipulation, domination and most importantly no complains and finger pointing to other ethnic. You make it or you fail by your own efforts.

How do you divide the country, to me it is easy, Tigray should get all the Axumite territories and Beneshangule. Amhara should get Wello, Gojjam, part of Shewa and Addis Ababa and Wellega and other smaill ethnics like Guragea and Dorthy. Oromo should have the remaining Shewa, part of Addis, Arosi, Bale and other smaller ethnics.
Southern should have the south and smaller ethnics, the same thing Somali Ogaden and other smaller Muslim ethnics in Harar. All the above division could be unnecessary if people want to live together peacefully otherwise, war and killing each other is not necessary in the future. They should divorce peacefully and honorably to avoid bloodshed and waste resources.

My whole point is if Tigray gets its grandfathers territories will be befter off.

If Amahara gets part of Shewa, half of Addis Ababa and Wolega will be better off.

If Oromo ges the remaining shewa, half Addis Ababa, Arosi and Bale the most fertile lands then they will be better off.




The break up of the present unnatural Ethiopia is likely to bring great relief to its 80 ethnic groups, the way the break up of Yugoslavia brought so much relief to the Balkans. I agree with much of what you said except three points.

1. Tigray can't have Gondar, it's Amhara land.

2. Amhara can't have Wollega because it is Oromo land.

3. There is nothing called Beni Shangul land, it is Gojjam land Woyane stole from Amhara to give it to its favorite ethnic group. So Tigray can't have Beni Shangul, if you are so in love with the beni Shangulis, you can welcome them to settle in Tigray. More than half the Beni Shangul land is in Gojjam, so ther eis no question of letting go of that. As for Addis Ababa, i would have no trouble surrendering all of it to Oromos and removing the Amharas who want to leave to the north. The whole northern Shoa can be Amhara, and Finifine can be the capital of the Oromia nation.

But i am afraid all that is idle talk, we should have solved this problem in 1991 when Woyane was so eager to solve it. these days the Woyane leaders are seeing the financial benefits of keeping Ethiopia together, so the will to solve this problem is not there anymore. Unfortunately, the foolish and sleeping Amharas too are unwilling to let go of the unnatural concept of united Ethiopia. Most of them are so uninspired, they will not take any painful action that will benefit their own people.

I hold this position because I am tired of being hated, i have never be to Eritrea, yet I am hated by the eritreans for forcing them to be part of the Ethiopia they hate. I am hated by Tigrayans for the same reason, I am hated by Somalis and oromos too. I am hated by other ethnics too, I hate being hated, so I want to be free. the road to that is to immediately implement Article 39 and free all the imprisoned ethnics in Ethiopia.

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